Comments on: Social Search for Health Librarians [Edited] http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/ Exploring Medical Librarianship and Web Geekery Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:40:24 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: social search - what is it? « omg tuna is kewl http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-72896 social search - what is it? « omg tuna is kewl Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:26:19 +0000 http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/#comment-72896 [...] 26th, 2007 · No Comments Earlier today, David Rothman blogged about the social search article (PDF) by Eugene Barsky andAllan Cho published in the Journal of the Canadian Health Libraries Association. He rightly questioned whether the article actually touched on social search, as it covered searching social software tools like YouTube, Flickr, and del.icio.us, but didn’t cover any of the social search engines. Dean Guistini then responded on his blog, commenting that social search isn’t a term with a fixed or established definition. [...] [...] 26th, 2007 · No Comments Earlier today, David Rothman blogged about the social search article (PDF) by Eugene Barsky andAllan Cho published in the Journal of the Canadian Health Libraries Association. He rightly questioned whether the article actually touched on social search, as it covered searching social software tools like YouTube, Flickr, and del.icio.us, but didn’t cover any of the social search engines. Dean Guistini then responded on his blog, commenting that social search isn’t a term with a fixed or established definition. [...]

]]> By: David Rothman http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-72334 David Rothman Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:13:27 +0000 http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/#comment-72334 Hey Eugene! Controversy and disagreement are wonderful things! :) I think that YouTube and Flickr, in allowing the user to sort results by popularity or search by tags allow themselves to be searched with social criteria, but cannot be called "Social Search Tools" in the sense that Swicki, Sproose or URL.com can. YouTube and Flickr only search themselves. Their main purpose is to share images or movies, and it is nice that they have these features to make exploring their collections easier for users. These other tools I mention, on the other hand, exist for the explicit purpose of adding human judgement to searching...well..anything on the Web. Therefore, I think YouTube and Flickr are searchable social media sites, where Swickis, URL.com and Sproose are social search tools. Google CSEs do NOT consider the behavior or judgements of users, only of contributors/administrators. For this reason alone, I'm sort of on the fence as to whether or not a Google CSE is REALLY a social search tool. I think it can be leveraged in that direction, but only so far. Disagreement is good! Best always, -David Hey Eugene!

Controversy and disagreement are wonderful things! :)

I think that YouTube and Flickr, in allowing the user to sort results by popularity or search by tags allow themselves to be searched with social criteria, but cannot be called “Social Search Tools” in the sense that Swicki, Sproose or URL.com can.

YouTube and Flickr only search themselves. Their main purpose is to share images or movies, and it is nice that they have these features to make exploring their collections easier for users. These other tools I mention, on the other hand, exist for the explicit purpose of adding human judgement to searching…well..anything on the Web. Therefore, I think YouTube and Flickr are searchable social media sites, where Swickis, URL.com and Sproose are social search tools.

Google CSEs do NOT consider the behavior or judgements of users, only of contributors/administrators. For this reason alone, I’m sort of on the fence as to whether or not a Google CSE is REALLY a social search tool. I think it can be leveraged in that direction, but only so far.

Disagreement is good!

Best always,

-David

]]> By: Eugene Barsky http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-72329 Eugene Barsky Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:01:24 +0000 http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/#comment-72329 Thanks David for trying to understand our piece on social search. I am happy that there is a discourse raising on this topic. I told the journal editor that this piece is going to be a bit controversial and I am happy that it is :) Now, let me try to clarify some things out: 1. YouTube, Flick and del.icio.us. I do believe that those are also real social search tools. All three allow users to tag their content and by adding, editing, browsing and searching those tags users might discover unique angles for their search terms - value added by other people which I believe makes those social search tools. 2. Google Co-op. Oh, well, this one is easy. I believe that we all agree that this is THE social search tool. In my case, I opened my PhysioSearch engine for my internal group of physio taskforce that were collaborating with me on this tool. After we decided on the sites to be included I decided to lock the content to avoid spam (huge problem in all social technology). Allan, any additional thoughts? David, what do you think now? Cheers, Eugene Thanks David for trying to understand our piece on social search. I am happy that there is a discourse raising on this topic. I told the journal editor that this piece is going to be a bit controversial and I am happy that it is :)

Now, let me try to clarify some things out:

1. YouTube, Flick and del.icio.us. I do believe that those are also real social search tools. All three allow users to tag their content and by adding, editing, browsing and searching those tags users might discover unique angles for their search terms – value added by other people which I believe makes those social search tools.

2. Google Co-op. Oh, well, this one is easy. I believe that we all agree that this is THE social search tool. In my case, I opened my PhysioSearch engine for my internal group of physio taskforce that were collaborating with me on this tool. After we decided on the sites to be included I decided to lock the content to avoid spam (huge problem in all social technology).

Allan, any additional thoughts? David, what do you think now?

Cheers,

Eugene

]]> By: David Rothman http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-72316 David Rothman Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:13:19 +0000 http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/#comment-72316 Hi Ratcatcher- Thanks SO much for pointing that article out! I should have included a link to it in this post- not only because the author (Melissa Rethlefsen) is a friend, but also because she's a medical librarian. Again, thank you! -David Hi Ratcatcher-

Thanks SO much for pointing that article out! I should have included a link to it in this post- not only because the author (Melissa Rethlefsen) is a friend, but also because she’s a medical librarian.

Again, thank you!

-David

]]> By: Ratcatcher http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-72312 Ratcatcher Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:08:42 +0000 http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/#comment-72312 There's an article covering social search and other search engines in Library Journal...http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6430406.html There’s an article covering social search and other search engines in Library Journal…http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6430406.html

]]> By: Francisco Lupiañez http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/comment-page-1/#comment-72224 Francisco Lupiañez Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:24:53 +0000 http://davidrothman.net/2007/06/26/social-search-for-health-librarians/#comment-72224 Congratulations for the post. I am glad to see that many people is trying to understand what's going on with the label 2.0. I think the first step is to understand how those new tools work and how they are used by actors. So David has helped us to understand those items. Thanks Congratulations for the post. I am glad to see that many people is trying to understand what’s going on with the label 2.0. I think the first step is to understand how those new tools work and how they are used by actors. So David has helped us to understand those items.

Thanks

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